3/24/26 Report - Book on Shipwreck Archaeology. Silver Splash and Other Artifacts. Apple Turns 50. Water Hunting Trick.

Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.

 I found a really good online book entitled The Nautical Archaeology of Padre Island: The Spanish Shipwrecks of 1554, by Barto Arnold III and Robert Weddle of the Texas Antiquities Committee (the link is below). 

The book goes over the history of the ships, the wrecking, and a good list of recovered artifacts along with illustrations.  Included are the detailed costs preparing the wrecks and provisioning.  

One of the things that caught my attention was the illustrations of splash ingots such as this one.

The one on the left reminded me very much of a similar silver splash ingot found on the Treasure Coast. Here is the bottom of that one.

Notice the flow lines on both.

Here is another splash, but this one has a solid but thin layer of sand adhering to the bottom.

Bottom of Splash Ingot with Shell and Sand 
Firmly Adhering.

Another illustration showed this copper strap like the one found on the Treasure Coast and shown immediately below.

Copper Strap Find.

There is much more that you will want to read in that report.

Here is the link.

Nautical_Archeology_of_Padre_Island.pdf

That should keep you busy a little while.  

There was also mention of the range markers used by the archaeologist.  It reminded me of something I used to do when detecting in shallow water.

In order to mark my spot in the water, maybe because of a good hot spot or good find.  You could get a line on the spot by lining up two objects that are different distances from the water.  Maybe a fence post in front and a telephone behind.  It might take a while to locate the two markers that align from the spot, but it could usually be done.  Maybe it as a tree trunk and the edge of a building or a door or something.  That would help me to stay on the line even if the water was rough and kept moving me off the spot or if I wanted to return to the same area later.  If you could find two sets of markers that created intersecting lines then you could really hit the spot.  After moving to the Treasure Coast my water hunting decreased a lot and I almost forgot about the technique I used a lot when I was spending a lot of time in the water.

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A few days ago a meteor was spotted over the Cleveland area.

A 1-ton meteor streaked over Texas on Saturday - and part of it may have hit a home.

A 1-ton meteor streaked over Texas on Saturday - and part of it may have hit a hom

We have some meteor hunters that read this blog.  Florida isn't the best place to find meteors, but I guess it has been done.

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Can you believe it?  Apple Computer turns fifty on April 1.  

I still have a working Mac Classic.  I didn't think much of the GUI (graphic user interface), but it has become the thing.  Now almost everybody uses a GUI instead of something like the old DOS command line system.

Apple turns 50: Big bets that reshaped tech and the pressure to repeat | Tech News - Business Standard

I'll have to say I became accustomed to the Mac.  I liked the Old Classic.  You could carry your program with you on the floppy disc.  Programs didn't take up so much memory in those days.

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Surf Chart from Surfguru.com.

Nothing exciting there.

Good hunting,

TreasureGuide@comcast.net

3/23/26 Report - EOs and Another Artifact. Remote Viewing Exercise. Perspective Change. Gold Drop.

 Written by the Treasureguide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.

A Few EOs.

You can skip over iron targets, but sometime they can be good.  Above are some EOs that aren't all that good, but to me they are interesting.  I like to find old artifacts even if they are iron. 

In the past I've shown some nice spike collections dug by readers of this blog.  I think a couple of the EOs shown above are probably spikes.  The one in the middle, I think might be a pulley.  And the one on the right is a void.  Voids are formed when the metal has dissolved leaving a mold where the metal once was.  

I think the item shown below could be a scupper.  It isn't iron.  I have no confidence that it is a scupper, but that is my best guess.

Scupper (?)

What do you think?

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Old posts on remote viewing continue to get views.  Those posts keep showing up on the weekly most viewed list.  Since remote viewing seem to be such a popular topic I thought some of you might benefit from these tips.  They are things you can do to become more effective at it.  

1. Relaxation exercises.  This can take many forms, but the intent is to learn to quite the mind so that your intuition can take over.  This will be difficult to near impossible for some people but probablly anybody can benefit from the exercises.

First, find a quiet space without distractions.  At the beginning you might set a timer for some relatively short period such as ten or fifteen minutes.  It is surprising how long a few minutes can seem when you try to quiet your mind.  

Close your eyes and breathe slowly and deeply.  Pay attention to the breath going in and out.

You will have thoughts.  That is ok. just let them go.

If you are so inclined, try different forms of meditation. 

2. Practice visualization technique.  This might be easier for visual thinkers.

Start by visualizing simple objects such as a ball or apple.  With your eyes closed try to visualize the details including shape, color, texture, shadows, weight, etc.  Engage other senses, such as feel, smell, taste. 

Draw what you visualize.  You might be artistic or not.  It doesn't matter.

As you improve and feel ready for it, use objects of greater complexity.

3.  Conduct practice sessions with targets.

Select a target.  There are actual remote viewing target databases you can use for this.  Here is one you can use.  Remote Viewing Practice Targets - Aesthetic Impact · Controlled Remote Viewing

If you use a database, select a target, write down the reference number and when you are ready, relax and be open to any impressions. Write down or draw all of your impressions.  Don't start with what you think it would be.  Passively draw whatever features come to you.  Don't try to be accurate or detailed.  Just let it flow. You might start by light scribbling and then let it take shape.

Compare your records or drawing with the target and analyze your performance.  Were you right about anything?  What could you do better?  

Repeat the exercise as often as you feel inclined.

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Enhanced sensory awareness can help you whether you do remote viewing or not.  For me, feeling the sand, compact or mushy, feeling the wind, and hearing the surf is nice, but it also can help make you sensitive to the environment, beach conditions, treasure clues and even non-metallic treasures that might be on the beach.  

I think some people focus so much on the metal detector they miss a lot.  You don't have to constantly focus on the tones and signals and sweep.  That, with time and practice can be automatic.

Here is something that might change your focus.  Don't think of metal detecting as covering ground.  Focus on putting your coil on a good target - one after another.  Focus on stalking treasure. When you put the coil over a good target, let the detector signal if it thinks you are right.  That changes the focus from "metal detecting" to finding good targets.  It might seem like a subtle difference, but I think it will make a difference.  

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Gold prices have been dropping in recent weeks and is now down close to $4500 an ounce. Here is the ten year gold price chart in kilograms.

And here is the one year chart.

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Fort Pierce South Jetty Beach Cam (South Beach Zoom View).

Beautiful day and a lot of snow birds hitting the beaches, especially last weekend.  Dry sand hunting might even be worthwhile.

Surf Chart from SurfGuru.com.

Nothing special there.

Good hunting,

Treasureguide@comcast.net

3/22/26 Report - Shipwreck on Beach, Indigenous Archaeology, Who's Cross. Sheave Find. Magnets. Real Royal Reale.

 

Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.

Known as the “Graveyard of the Atlantic” researchers on Sable Island may have found a rare shipwreck that could be from before the 20th Century.

The ecological reserve off he coast of Nova Scotia has seen more than 350 ships destroyed since 1583, many of which sunk to the bottom of the ocean or decayed on the soft sands of the island...

In May 2025, underwater and terrestrial archaeologists launched a project with a Mi’kmaw archaeological technician to uncover one of the shipwrecks. For two weeks, they carefully dug up the “remarkably well-preserved” ship just below the sandy surface on the North Beach...

However, after uncovering parts of the ship, some wood and copper fragments were marked with British Royal Navy broad arrows, and it had Bermuda cedar elements, which researchers suggest could be three possible connections: HMS Barbadoes, the sloop Swift, and the schooner Emeline...

Here is the link for more about that article.

Archeologists linking shipwreck on Sable Island to historical event

I've mentioned the Mi'kmaq people in this blog several times before.  They were among the first indigenous of North America to meet Europeans.  They encountered the Norse around 1000 A.D.

The Oak Island TV show seems to go out of their way to avoid mention of the Mi'kmaq, despite them being dominant in the early history of Nova Scotia.  They are inconvenient to the preferred storyline of the Knights Templar.  It seemed there was absolute panic at one point when archaeological discoveries and concerns could have shut them down.  After that, archaeologists became a regular part of the program - though not Mi'kmaq. I actually find the archaeological discoveries more telling and fascinating than the metal detector finds, as few as they are for thirteen seasons.  The detector finds have failed to answer any questions pertaining to the search for the Oak Island treasure.  As I've said before, various random surface scatterings are not likely to shed light on a treasure buried in a complex tunnel system.

By the way, the Mi'kmaq flag is a cross, sometimes displayed horizontally with the star at the upper left.

A cross is such a basic form that by itself provides little information and can be seen almost anywhere - even nature.  There is, for example, the Southern Cross or Crux constellation.  

One of the big lessons of Oak Island is to not get so stuck on one story or idea that you can't see evidence for anything else.

Translations are not always easy or straightforward.  Mi'maq is sometimes spelled and pronounced in various ways, including Migmaw, Mikmaw, Mikmaq and Migmao.  You see the same kind of the with Kang-hsi, which is sometimes spelled or transliterated as Kangxi as well as other spellings.  

One thing I've done that has been widely accepted but occasionally criticized for is using "reale" for the Spanish word real.  Even in the Spanish language, the word real is used differently in different locations.  It has three primary meanings, one is royal, another is the coin, and the third is simply real or authentic.  

When it comes to language, I put function over form and don't stick rigidly to rules.  I'm not good at grammar anyhow but try to improve.  As long as I clearly communicate, I'm happy with that, however I sometimes play with language just for the fun of it.

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Magnet fishing has become a big thing.  I posted about magnet fishing over a decade ago.  At that time, it wasn't as prevalent as it is today.

I've always been an advocate of alternate forms of finding treasure.  Magnet fishing is just one of those.  I've also recommended eyeballing a lot.  

But magnets are not just good for magnet fishing.  For the detectorist I've recommended using magnets to remove surface trash from littered detecting sites.  I once showed what was called a magnet rake, which could be used to remove iron trash.  Here is an example.

I've also recommended magnets for other things, such as testing finds.

Here is the link to that old post.

The Treasure Beaches Report Direct From Florida's Treasure Coast.: 7/24/15 Report - Magnet Fishing: A Tool For Detectorists. Beach Sifting Machines. Metals Used In Coins.

Remember this old find?

The above wasn't the first sheave found on a Treasure Coast beach.  This one was found back around 2015, but there was one found earlier than that. 

A sheave is a part of a ships rigging system.

That was a very nice old-eyeballed find.  Wood items, including planking, occasionally show up on the beach.  

Here is a nice example of a coaked sheave. 

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Surf Chart from Surfguru.com.

Not much new here.

Good hunting,

Treasureguide@comcast.net

3/20/26 Report - Treasure Coast Heavily Encrusted Shipwreck Spikes Freed. Post Cards as Collectibles and Research Clues.

 

Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.

A Sample of Heavily Encrusted Treasure Coast Shipwreck Spikes Freed.

Above are some of the heavily encrusted shipwreck spikes found on the Treasure Coast.  These spikes were all totally encrusted before being freed from the encrustation.  It was impossible to know what was inside the concretion as found.  A few looked like they might contain spikes, but others did not show a shape that gave any clue.

There are various approaches to finding out what is in a heavy crust.  One way to find out is to x-ray the clump.  Sometimes nothing remains of the original item, which has totally dissolved, leaving only a void.  I've talked about that type of thing before.

Here is a good link to a article about examining and treating heavily encrusted object. 

The Belle

That is a site that you'll want to read.  It covers the archaeology of the shipwreck La Belle, including artifact cleaning and conservation.

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Breese Farm, Indiana.

Some old post cards show places like they were in the past and therefore provide good tips on metal detecting sites.  I've written about that before. 

There are many old post cards showing Florida hotel and beach sites, but I'm showing the one above because it shows some of my ancestors.  I recently noticed it and asked Alberto S. to see if he could make the scanned image a little better, and he very kindly did that.  Thanks Alberto.

I like ephemera on its own, but also because of the history it preserves.  Long ago I was into collecting old books and found many other types of ephemera while looking for old books, and sometimes in old books.  Always look between the pages of old books for other items, which can include money as well as other interesting things.

But old postcards can have some value.  Some a lot.  

There are some things I like about old postcards and I've sold some in the past.  For one thing, they don't require a lot of storage space, unlike bottles, that take up a lot of space.  And they don't break, but they can get damaged.  They are very easy and inexpensive to ship.

I don't know the exact date of the post card shown above, ut it is probably in the in the 1915 - 1925 date range.  If I study the car, that might provide some clues.  

I don't know why the Breese's put their farm put on a post card other than possibly a desire to share with others -perhaps those that they left back east.  They didn't have email or any other of our modern convenient methods of communicating, and post cards were used a lot in my family back in the early 1900s.  I've shown some of those postcards before.

If you are interested in collecting old post cards, here is a good web site that will help you date them and determine if they might have value.

Guide to Collecting Valuable Vintage Postcards (Rare Finds to Look for)

Above is an old postcard that I showed in the past.  It shows Wabasso beach.

Here is an older post I did on postcards.

The Treasure Beaches Report Direct From Florida's Treasure Coast.: 6/19/20 Report - Metal Detecting Hobby Makes Contributions to Archaeology. Digging Gold Mining Camp. Old Postcard Treasure.

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Nothing much new with the surf predictions or anything, but today is the Vernal Equinox.

Happy Vernal Equinox,

Treasureguide@comcast.net

3/19/26 Report - Great Metal Detecting Finds by One Reader: Silver Dollar, Mouring Pin and Pendant. Some Beach Cuts.

Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.

Find and Photo by Al C.

Al C. made the above cool find yesterday on the Treasure Coast.  He has also been doing some traveling and finding great things.

Below are couple more.

Beautiful 1879 Silver Dollar Found by Al C.

Here are Al's email about two of his great finds.

Perhaps you remember my long sad story of how I scratched Lady Liberties face on my only Morgan Dollar find. Well good news! I got another chance! I went up to North Carolina for the Dig Stock 12 metal detecting event. One of my buddies got permission to detect an old house near where the event was to take place. The yard was unkept and under a tree through thick dead leaves I got a pretty loud signal worth investigating. I scraped the ground with my foot a couple times to clear away the leaves and sadly the signal moved with the leaves. Of course that always means it’s junk in the leaves…but not this time. I swung over the moved leaves and I could see the edge of a big silver coin. No digging or risking required this time!

Dig Stock 12 was in North Carolina close to the Virginia line. It was 500 detectorists on 7000 acres of very historic property. I went with a few friends who made some great finds including a Spanish half reale and a cut two reale with the full date of 1708. Many other amazing things were uncovered by others as well. With only a couple hours left of the third and final day I took a chance on a 45 vdi on the Deus 2. Glad I did. It’s a Mourning Pin with what I assume is a last name engraved on the back. Usually there is hair inside the locket like part. It will not open easily and I don’t want to break it. I reached out to a museum that is in the immediate area of where I found it but have not yet heard back from them. I plan to donate it to the museum.

Three Views of Mouring Pin Found by Al C.

Thore are some really special finds.

And here is what Al C. saw early this afternoon at John Brooks.

John Brooks Thursday Around 1 PM
Photo by Al C.

Thanks much for sharing your great finds Al.  Everybody likes to see what people are finding and those great finds will inspire anybody.

If you like to see finds, you have to send them in.  

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In the morning, Brooks wasn't looking that good.  In fact, it looked very much like the photo I showed you yesterday with the broken cuts, although the cuts were a little bigger than the day before.

John Brooks Thursday Morning.

And here is what Walton Rocks looked like Thursday morning.

Walton Rocks Thursday Morning.

We've had a few days of north winds.  Too bad to the surf was only in the four foot range.

Surf Chart from SurfGuru.com.

Looks like more of the same.

Good hunting,

Treasureguide@comcast.net

3/18/26 Report - Checking a Few Treasure Coast Metal Detecting Beaches Today. One Find. TreasureGuide's Salvage Yard.

 

Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.

Frederick Douglass Beach Wednesday Morning.

I decided to go out to the beach today.  I wasn't expecting much, but hoped to be surprised.  I wasn't.

This morning the Fort Pierce beach cam showed a small cut, but less than a foot, and that is what I saw when I got there.  

There has been one detectorists working that beach for hours every day.  Two detectorists were there today.

But I was more interested in checking John Brooks beach, which as I've said before, is correlated to some extent with the Fort Pierce south beach.  I expected to see small cuts at John Brooks and that is what I saw.  

I did a little detecting at John Brooks.  There were a few targets but not many.  Most targets were down about mid-slope.

Also, as I've said before, Frederick Douglass is correlated with John Brooks, but more highly than the correlation Brooks and Fort Pierce South Beach.

Frederick Douglass Beach Wednesday Morning.

The cuts at John Brooks were mostly one foot or less.  The bigger ones were between Brooks and Douglass, but at Douglass they were smaller.

John Brooks Wednesday Morning.

There was more iron on John Brooks beach.  In the distant past Douglass had really a lot of iron, a lot of which came from an old Mel Fisher salvage barge. 

The iron on Brooks made me wonder if some of that older junk might be coming up again.

The dug clad coins were all really discolored and had been out there a while.

I managed one small gold find.  I'll post that below.

Fort Pierce Wednesday Morning.

You can see one detectorist in the above photo.  

There was a lot of iron at some spots there too.

The cut south of Fort Pierce Jetty beach was small but ran for hundreds of yards.

Fort Pierce Wednesday Morning.

Here is my tiny gold find from today.  

14 K Mark on Stud Earring Post.

I don't know if the stone is good or not yet.  

I didn't detect long today.  Just wanted to check things out a little.  When I left home I mostly wanted to check Brooks and Douglass, which I did.

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Below are three old Aquasound detectors (made by Herb MacDonald who formed Florida America Electronics - FAE)  and a few extra coils now in the TreasureGuide's metal detector salvage yard.  There is a probably a working coil in there, but I know it isn't the 14 inch one.  

14 Inch Weighted Coil.

If someone can use the parts or whatever, we might be able to work out something.  I think there is probably one good coil in there or maybe a good control box - one or the other, but I don't know which.  And maybe some could be repaired.  

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Nothing exciting on the surf chart - just three to four feet for days.

Good hunting,

Treasureguide@comcast.net

3/17/26 Report - Study of the Silver Coins on the 1622 Tortugas Shipwreck. Another Good Link. Current Conditions and Projects.

Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.

The above table come from a study of the reales of the Tortugas wreck.  Below is the introduction from the articlle.

Between 1990 and 1991 an assemblage of 1,184 silver cob coins was excavated from the 400m-deep Tortugas shipwreck off the Florida Keys, a merchant vessel from the 1622 Spanish Tierra Firme fleet most plausibly identified as the 117-ton Buen Jesús y Nuestra Señora del Rosario. A sample of 648 coins retained in the collection of Odyssey Marine Exploration in Tampa, Florida, was re-examined in 2011 to obtain optimum quantitative data about the coins’ denominations, mint origins, dates and assayer admin istrators. Silver reales coins were identified from predominantly, and unexpectedly, the mint of Mexico, followed by Potosi and a ‘Bogotá/Cartagena or Old World’ class. 

Although vast quantities of comparable silver coins have been recovered from the shallow-water wrecks of the Atocha and Margarita from the same homeward-bound 1622 Spanish fleet, this material has not been subjected to formal quantification. The value of the Tortugas collection lies in its association with a small Tierra Firme fleet merchant vessel, and as an important archaeo logical counterpoint to the more renowned large treasure-laden flota warships. The Tortugas wreck thus reflects the smaller scale maritime trade conducted between Colonial Spain and the Americas that is less conspicuous within the archaeological record...

The article shows many of the coins and discusses their identity and how they probably ended up on the wreck. It also discusses something I've talked about a few times - the lower denomination coins more likely being personal possessions rather than cargo, which could also have something to do with the disparity between the smaller denomination of beach found reales.

Here is another interesting part of the article.

What Would a Spanish Dollar Buy? While it has been widely quoted that a common worker would need to labor a month to earn one or two Spanish dollars (also called pesos and ‘pieces of eight’), each consist ing of 8 reales of silver, just like today the value of money f luctuated as a result of inflation, recession and geography. As a general indication of income, Walton (1994: xiii) has suggested that in the era of Columbus the richest aristocrat in Spain earned over 80,000 pesos a year from his estates, while a typical laborer made about 25 pesos annually. In 1622, the year of the Tortugas shipwreck sinking, and in 1623, a master carpenter could make 238 maravedís a day (34 maravedís = 1 reale), a master mason 272 maravedís, a laborer 136 maravedís, a gardener 25 maravedís and a female cook 11 maravedís a day...

Here is the link for the entire article.

be6d77_40ec0076da6b46199b40ebcc7e983141.pdf

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You might find some other articles you will want to read here.

 Publications – Florida Anthropological Society

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Fort Pierce South Jetty Beach Came (South Zoom View from Surfguru.com
Around 6 PM Monday.

There is a small cut, or what I'd call a crease, on the beach Monday around 6 PM.  It didn't last long though.  Tuesday morning it was gone (as you can see below).

Fort Pierce South Jetty Beach Came (South Zoom View from Surfguru.com
Around 9 AM Tuesday.

Once detectorist was working the beach there Tuesday morning.

You can see the equipment going to be used to pump sand onto the beach below.

Beach Renourishment Equipment at Fort Pierce.

There will be beach and jetty closures during the renourishment project.  I think the jetty will be close on the 18th.

This seems to be the same kind of thing they are doing at Sebastian.  They have the tall metal structures there too, and I thought I could see the pipe on the beach at one point.  I think the excavator is moving the pipe down the beach.  You can see that on the Sebastian beach cam.

The renourishment project is going on during Turtle nesting and is contrary to the Fish and Wildlife Conservation plan.  

Here is the Tuesday surf chart.

Surf Chart from SurfGuru.com.

As the surf chart is showing, there is currently a north NNW wind and a north surf.   

It is a bit chilly out today too.  

Happy St. Patrick's Day.

Treasureguide@comcast.net

3/16/26 Report - Early Florida Contact Period Sites and Artifacts. Religious Symbols on Shipwreck Artifacts. Surf Prediction Fade.

 

Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.

Map Showing Early Contact Sites in Florida.
Source: See link below.

Here is a map showing where artifacts of early indigenous European contact sites.  It was published in a Florida Anthropological Society journal (line below).  The contents of the article is shown immediately below.

The types of artifacts at various sites for each site and period are described in the article.

Here is an excerpt just to give you an idea about what is in the article.

Here is the link so you can read the entire article.

The European and the Indian - UF Digital Collections

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Here are a few excerpts from a great article on some artifacts found on the Tortugas Wreck site.

It is Papal Plates & Propaganda on the Deep-Sea Tortugas Shipwreck, Florida (1622) by Sean Kingsley, Wreck Watch Int.

Why was such highly exalted, specific imagery painted onto Blue on White plates manufactured in Seville and why did they ultimately end up on a small merchant vessel returning from the Americas to Andalusia? Given the plates’ very specific religious iconography it seems reasonable to suggest that its owner did not simply buy the product over the counter in the open market, where it had been manufactured based on popular schemes found in a pattern book. These plates are more likely to have been commissioned specifically for the Church and conceivably for a very particular purpose. 

 When the crossed keys and triple crown are represented with a shield, the insignia is identifiable as the personal arms of the pope. When the emblem is depicted in isola tion it represents the papacy as an institution (Galbreath, 1930: 23). Since the arms of Pope Gregory XV (1621-23) – gules three bends silver retraits in chief – are not associated with the Tortugas plates, its design was clearly intended to signify the broader papal authority of the Catholic Church...

Here is the link for the entire article.

be6d77_456f80cc973a4d97befc700b2c92ea47.pdf

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Jensen Beach Monday Morning
 from the Jensen Beach Web Cam

You can see the slight south angle at the beach at Jensen as well as the dip between the beach and the bar.  

There are a lot of beachgoers.  Some things will be lost.

View of Fort Pierce South from the SurfGuru.com Web Cam.

This was earlier, but there were already people on the beach.

Surf Chart for the Fort Pierce Area from Surfguru.com.

Yesterday I said, The past couple of days I didn't take the predicted high surf too seriously.  Very often those kinds of predictions when made several days out eventually fade away.  This time the predicted high surf has been steady for three days now and has even become a little bigger - now up to nine feet.  It could still fade but be prepared.  It might happen.

I was surprised the eight or nine foot surf was holding.  Well, I was one day early on thinking the fade was not going to happen.  Today, it happened.  The surf chart is now showing nothing bigger than four feet - half of the peak predicte earlier.

That used to happen a lot.  They'd show a big surf out six or seven days, and then it would end up being much less.  That is what I came to expect, but they have improved on that.  They don't predict a disappearing big surf nearly as much as the used to, but it happened again this time.

Good hunting,

Treasureguide@comcast.net