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Monday, April 29, 2024

4/30/24 Report - Recent Treasure Coast Metal Detecting Finds and Lessons. Angles and Finds. Don't Do This When You Fly.

 

Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.

Hutchinson Island Beach
Hunted Sunday by Mark G.

Mark G. sent the following report and accompanying photos.

I got all my chores done and managed to get out Saturday for a short time, weather was gorgeous. I hunted a small public beach on Hutchinson Island about a 100 yards of surf at low tide around 2:00 to 4:00 PM. You can see the cuts are all well sanded in and the low flat areas were pretty soft indicating fresh sand, the winds from the SE were doing their job. My first hit was a dime hunting north to south following the tide out. A few more passes and I picked up a nickel. As the tide went out and I could get further down the slope is when I hit the quarters. I hit a quarter with almost every pass 6 quarters in total however they did not sound like quarters they were a little low and a full scoop deep, all of them. As the tide came back in pushing me back up the slope I hit the penny making the cycle and calling it a day. Believe it or not that shiny new penny is a 1988 but I gave up trying to guess when coins are dropped by patina, there’s too many variables. Very little junk, one fishing weight, an iron slug and a nail, the nail I dug because it was giving me a hit every pass so after 3 passes I just dug it out of the way, the aluminum and metal strip came from the dry sand beach to and from the wash.

Purpose of the story:

I believe the SE winds or Easterly winds are washing the coins back in. I will cite your blog from 3/23/2024 https://tbr2020.blogspot.com/2024/03/32324-report-beach-dynamics-and.html in which you said coins can be classified as they wash up or wash out from the beach.

Quote:

“When things are getting washed up onto the beach, you'll often find quarters low on the beach, then dimes, and then pennies higher up.  Things do often get classified and that is a common pattern when coins are being washed up.   

When coins are getting washed out from the beach, the pattern will often be reversed.  Quarters can be at the top and pennies at the bottom.” 

To prove this theory I went back Sunday same time but tide was an hour later and I couldn’t stay but, to reinforce the theory I did find a dime and a very lite aluminum trinket high on the beach while the tide was going out.

 

Thank You

Mark G.



Finds Made by Mark G. Sunday.



Thanks much Mark.   

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I've made a lot of wind and swell direction, and it is important, but it must be taken relative to the shoreline.  On the East Coast, for example, northeasters are most recognized as being most impactful on a large scale, but on the West Coast of Florida, it is a northwest wind that is most impactful.  That is not to say other directions never have a positive effect, as Mark just explained and illustrated.  South winds and surf will erode certain areas, depending upon a variety of factors.  We've had some very good erosion from north/northwest winds on the East Coast too.  A north wind will scrape much of the East Coast, which runs a little west to east along much of the coast.

It is necessary to remember that the shoreline is not straight.  There are many curves and bends and there are other obstacles such as jetties, rocks and other obstructions, all of which must be taken into account. Mostly it runs a little west to east, but there are many variations in the angle.  A jetty, for example, can shelter the beach from northeast wind and make it vulnerable to swells from other directions.  So obstructions are important too  So are reefs and sandbars.

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On the topic of air travel with a metal detector, Bill H. submitted his unenviable experience.  

 I was returning to Michigan when I read your soliciting stories about traveling with a detector. I have one that "Takes the cake"!
Flying to California from Michigan with my family I opted to fly with my detector in a clearly marked detector vinyl carry bag along with other luggage.  No problem going, however returning we stopped over in Atlanta to switch flights with a 90 minute delay. All baggage is checked and moved to another plane. While waiting for our gate call we ate and toured the airport. I kept thinking I heard my name over the speakers but I thought I would wait til we returned to the gate to find out why. When we returned to the departure gate I checked in. The employee demanded to know "Where were You? We have been paging your name."!  I enquired as to what the problem was and she responded, "There is something on one of  your suitcases that is vibrating!" and she pointed out to the concourse where she advised me that the jet had been towed out away from the ramp for safety purposes. Yep, our plane was 100 yards out from the building with security police surrounding it. A police officer approached us and took my wife, two sons and I out in a police car to the baggage compartment of the plane. Once there I was ordered to open the detector bag.  Turns out my Garrett turned on in transit and beeped every time it moved. It did not vibrate. I turned it off and took the batteries out- problem solved. No one could explain why someone couldn't have unzipped the bag on a clearly marked carry bag to see what the problem was.  
We were returned to the gate and an angry crowd, and wife.  The crowd was mad because we were 45 minutes late for departure and my wife was angry because everyone on the plane was aware that we were traveling with something that was vibrating in her suitcase. I paid dearly for that one for a long time.  TAKE the BATTERIES OUT when traveling.
Bill H.

Thanks Bill.  I'll bet you don't forget to take the batteries out the nest time.  And your wife will help remind you.

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The surf will be decreasing the next few days.  Nothing special with the tides.

Good hunting,
Treasureguide@comcast.net

Sunday, April 28, 2024

4/29/24 Report - 1715 Fleet, Atocha and Other Silver and Gold Shipwreck Artifacts Compared Over Time.

 

Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of he Treasure Beaches Report.

Gold chain, 30 grams, 30-1/2 inches, ex-1715 Fleet. A very tight braid in bent-wire links of high-grade gold (XRF tested at 21-1/2K), great length for a necklace but with ends unfinished as used for a "money chain" to avoid high taxes in its time, fully intact with just a few kinks, highly desirable as an original and officially certified gold object from the 1715 Fleet. From the Douglass Beach site of the 1715 Fleet, with Queens Jewels photo-certificate 75906.

Above is a gold chain and the lot description for a chain offered in the current Sedwick Treasure auction.  The auction estimate is $7500 - $15,000.  

Below is a smaller 1715 Fleet gold chain sold in the 1977 Bowers and Ruddy auction.


Since this chain is only 2/3 as large as the one in the current Sedwick auction, minimum auction estimate (being adjusted for the size difference) if this one were offered today would be around $5000 - all other things being equal.  But of course, all other things are not equal.  This smaller chain is complete and can be worn as a chain "as is" unlike the "money chain" in the current auction.

The chain sold in the 1977 Bowers and Ruddy auction sold for $2200.  In today's money that would be over $10,000, which would put it within the current auction estimate range of $7300 - $15,000 for the chain that is being offered in the current auction.  

Adjusting for size the values seem very comparable.  Of course, we do not yet know what the final prices will be for the chain in the current auction.  I'd expect it to go for the higher end or more than the auction estimate.

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Yesterday I showed a gold bar in the current Sedwick auction that is from the Atocha. It weighs just over five pounds.  The auction estimate is $200,000 to $400,000.  You can see that one in yesterday's post.

Forty-seven years ago a 1715 Fleet gold bar of very similar weight (barely over five pounds) was auctioned by Bowers and Ruddy.  The realized price for that lot back then was $10.700.   Below is how the bar was described in the Bowers and Ruddy catalog. 


Tje bars are pretty similar but not exactly alike.  One is from the 1715 Fleet while the other is ex- Atocha.  

The Atocha bar already has a bid of $180,000, so it would seem that purchasing similar gold bar in 1977 was a great investment.

"Today's prices are 5.15 times as high as average prices since 1977, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index. A dollar today only buys 19.402% of what it could buy back then."

If we adjust for inflation and multiply $10,700 times 5.15 we get just over $55,000.  It seems like purchasing a similar gold bar 47 years ago was a good investment.

Gold, of course, is very high now, which undoubtedly increases to some considerable extent the value of gold artifacts.

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Here is another lot from the current Sedwick auction. This silver "cupcake" ingot that weighs real close to 1.5 pounds has an auction estimate of $2000 to $3000.

There were two similar but larger muffin ingots (each about a half pound heavier) from the Atocha auctioned in the 1977 Bowers and Ruddy auction. They brought winning bids of $160 and $170 in 1977 dollars.

Although I tried to look at some factors affecting the value of shipwreck artifacts over time, that is a difficult thing to do for such unique items. People sometimes talk about such things in terms of investments, but it is very difficult to get a precise return on investment. I suspect that such items should be purchased because you like them, but from my crude analysis they do seem to hold good value over time.

One good thing about metal detecting as a hobby is the cost of finds is not too important although your investment in time and equipment can be substantial.  If you enjoy what you are doing and get good entertainment value out of the activity, any economic value of finds is all to the good.

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Good hunting,
Treasureguide@comcast.net


Saturday, April 27, 2024

4/28/24 Report - Atocha Gold Bars. Sedwick Press Release. Ages and Stages. Managing Your Collection.

 

Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.


When I posted this, the Atocha gold bar had a bid of $180,000.  The auction estimate is 200,000 to 400,000.

I think the bar is the highest priced lot in the auction.  It is the highest that I remember seeing.

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Sherman W. sent the following email.

Years (decades) ago I was searching Wyatt Earps dads house out in California There was a mound of dirt I leveled and found a $5 gold piece. And at a location at Fort Capron I dug around 1000 targets in a small area.  Good spots you need to go slow. Several years ago you posted the buttons found there. 

I as well do not get out much. My treasure hunting is limited to Ebay and auction sites on the web. I bought a painting for $50 sold it for $10K plus. I was a White's man. Sad to see them go.

Regards Sherman W.

Thanks Sherman. I've been thinking a lot about the ages and stage of treasure hunting.

If you stick with it a long time, your metal detecting will take you through a variety of changes.  At the beginning you might just be happy to find anything at all or you might be focused on one particular type of treasure.  In either case, it is a beginning.  

I've told before how I started with a White's metal detector and finding coins on the South Florida beaches.  I mentioned how I progressed from coins to jewelry and eventually got into the hunt for the treasures of the Treasure Coast.  There was a lot of learning and a lot of changes along the way.

I moved from the Whites metal detector to a Fisher Aquanaut, which was accompanied by other changes, such as getting into shallow water metal detecting and hunting gold jewelry more than coins.  It is no coincidence that changes in detectors coincide with other changes, such as location and targets. 

I had a few Tesoro metal detectors along the way.  As you know, they are no longer in business. I had them mostly as backups and special purpose detectors.  One thing I liked about them was the lifetime warranty, which eventually became obsolete before they went out of business.

I had a variety of other metal detectors along the way, but the customized Nautilus detectors by Herb MacDonald and Steve Noga were my favorites.  Herb passed away and I lost track of Steve a long time ago.

Some changes have to do with what you learn about treasure hunting and metal detecting, but other changes come from life changes - perhaps changes in your work, family life, or health.  They can all change where metal detecting fits in to your life.

As you know my mother passed away a few months ago, and I had to do a lot of things that were not easy for me.  Mother had a lot of furniture and things that have been in the family for a long time - sometimes generations.  I had to clean out her house.  I went through a lot of photos, documents, greeting cards, and old letters as well as the furniture, lamps and things that were in my home when I was a young child.  And after keeping all of those things for so long, there they were.  Many of them had to go despite all the personal history and meaning they held.  As they always say, you can't take it with you.

As difficult as it was for me to get rid of some of those things, I comforted myself with the thought that she and the family got a lot of good use out of them.  They served their purpose.

Most recently I had some bookshelves I had to get rid of.  They were made by my father.  In fact, they were made by left-over knotty pine wood that paneled some of the rooms.  The solid wood shelves were sturdy and lasted a long time with little show of wear.  They might last another hundred years.  

I was glad to see an older couple come by and admire them.  They commented that they were "real" wood, unlike most of the stuff they make these days.  I shared a little of the history of the shelves. They took one bookshelf, and I was happy that they did.  I was glad that they appreciated them and hope they get good use out of them.

That is just one example, but what I am getting to is the subject of our finds.  Some people sell their finds right away.  But others study their finds and accumulate collections.  Their finds serve as souvenirs that remind them of their experiences.  They are meaningful to that individual and in some cases to a larger community or academic area or study.  

The issue of managing your collection will become more important as you accumulate more finds and mature in the hobby.  The sooner you start thinking about that the better.  It involves conserving items as well as deciding which to keep and which need to find a new home.  You can't keep them forever.  If you've conserved them well, they will eventually go somewhere else.  

When I sell items, which is not often, the most important thing to me is to find them a good home.  You might want to pass along some of the story, so you will need to document things well and maybe pass along the documentation with the item.

It is always nice when a find ends up in a museum display or in a book or something like that, but at least with someone that also appreciates the item.

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In the morning, we had a nice wind, mostly from the ESE.  That could have opened up some holes that produced in the not-too-distant past.

The wind has decreased some, but there is still a decent ENE wind and surf.

The afternoon low tide is slightly negative.

Good hunting,

Treasureguide@comcast.net




  




Friday, April 26, 2024

4/26/24 Report - Flying With Metal Detector. Find: Charms and Universal Symbols. Origin of Silver Coins. Bigger Surf Coming.

 

Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.


A selection of the Fitzwilliam Museum coins which were studied, including coins of Charlemagne and Offa.
(The Fitzwilliam Museum, University of Cambridge via SWNS)
© Provided by talker


The mysterious origins of England's Dark Age silver coins have finally been revealed, shedding light on trade between the nation and the rest of Europe.

Researchers discovered the coins - which are as much as 1,350 years old - had both Byzantine and later French origins as politics on the continent changed. rule.

For decades, experts have agonized over where the silver in these coins derived from...

"I proposed Byzantine origins a decade ago but couldn’t prove it. Now we have the first archaeometric confirmation that Byzantine silver was the dominant source behind the great seventh-century surge in minting and trade around the North Sea."

Dr Jane Kershaw, another co-author of the study from the University of Oxford, added: “These coins are among the first signs of a resurgence in the northern European economy since the end of the Roman Empire...

Here is the link for the rest of the article.

Mysterious origins of Dark Age silver coins finally revealed (msn.com)

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I recently received a question from a reader going to New Zealand who was wondering about how it is to take a metal detector on airlines.  Since I haven't done it for a while, I asked Mitch King, who travels overseas with his metal detector.  He provided the following comments.


I Travel twice a year to England to detect. No issues checking or carrying on a detector. Since it's an all-detecting vacation I always take 2. 1 would probably be ok. I put one in my checked luggage nicely wrapped in clothing for protection. I also carry one on. Since these are XP Deus it's really easy. Some people use dedicated cases for their machines. They are nice but it is just another piece of luggage to drag around the airports. Obviously, I don't carry on any digging tools. Also make sure you carry on any loose or backup lithium batteries.  Airlines don't like them in the baggage hold. If there is a fire, they are neatly impossible to extinguish. 


Thanks Mitch.

So it is no problem to take a carry-on or checked metal detector.

That reminded me.  There were a few locations where I buried digging tools for use when I returned.  Amazing that you can leave something in the ground and find it again even years later.  

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Recent Find: Three Small Connected Silver Charms

Here is a set of three connected silver charms I found.  The heart and the anchor are marked "STER."  I don't think I've ever seen that before.  The cross, on the other hand, is marked "STERLING."  

The cross, heart and anchor are very common symbols.  They are common to many centuries.  They are so common and widespread in human history that the symbols themselves provide very little help in determining where the came from.  The "sterling" mark, though, helps some.

Here is a list of "universal" symbols.

30+ Universal Symbols, Their Meanings, and How to Use Them (pixcap.com)

I don't know how that list was created or if it has any scientific validity, but it seems to be some wheat useful in a very general sense.

The cross is fourth on that list, following only the sun, moon and stars, heavenly bodies common to the experience of virtually all humans and cultures.

Here is what the site says about the cross symbol.

Culturally, the four points of the cross represent self, knowledge, and spiritual strength. As one of the most common universal symbols, a red cross is seen as a sign for medical help in war zones and other emergencies.

Of course there are stylistic variations that are diagnostic to some extent, but you have to be careful to not make too much of the basic symbol.

In Jungian psychology the quaternity is universally basic to human consciousness across all time periods and cultures.

The heart symbol is fifth on the list of "universal" symbols and is similarly of little to no diagnostic significance.

And the anchor comes in as number twelve of the list of thirty symbols.  And from the same site, "Christians see it as a symbol of hope and steadfastness, while others view it as a representation of stability and strength."

I was watching TV and some of the usual suspects were trying to figure out who secreted a treasure that they haven't found.  They seem to overlook the various periods and cultures that could have been involved and seem eager to follow one path while ignoring many possibilities.  They've found a variety of artifacts and some rock carvings and suggestively placed rocks etc., - the kind you often see on treasure maps, fictional or otherwise, and they are trying to figure out what those objects and marks mean and who created them.  Or at least that seems to be the storyline.  So at some European location associated with the group they suspect and seem to want to identify as the source of the carvings and finds, one fellow points out a design and says that it looks very familiar and pulls out a paper with a few dots on it and compares the dots on the paper with the arrangement of dots they just found.  The group then commented something like, "They are exactly alike."  I could see some similarity, but I also saw what I considered to be some very significant differences.  And I'm one who tends to pay more attention to similarities than differences! That is just my cognitive style, yet I saw the two designs as being pretty different.  

I've talked about this before, but there is a tendency for people who have an investment in a conclusion to distort their perceptions to conform to their hopes or expectations.  That might seem academic and unimportant to you, but as detectorists and treasure hunters, it is helpful in many ways to see the evidence for what it is rather than distorting it.  

If we have a triangular piece of metal, the first thing to come to mind might be an arrowhead, but it isn't necessarily right.  It takes more than that.

There are pyramids in Egypt and pyramids in South America.  Does that mean the people are connected?  Some people say there is a connection, but pyramids are such basic, natural and effective structures, it is hardly surprising that they have been used by people at different times and in different cultures.  

It is easy to jump to conclusions.  It is easy to make connections that are unwarranted.  It is too easy.  It is natural.  Natural tendencies are often useful but can lead to mistakes.

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The surf will be getting a little bigger.  Four to five- or six-foot surf by Sunday.  Check out the charts.

Good hunting,

Treasureguide@comcast.net





Thursday, April 25, 2024

4/25/24 Report - Have Detector Will Travel. Forking it Over. Detecting with Trowel and Sifter.

 

Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.

Silver-Plated Fork Recently Detected While Junking.


I haven't detected hardly at all lately. I've been spending a lot of time getting my mother's house ready to sell, but I found a few minutes to do a little junking. Didn't have time to spend driving to the beach, so just went out and worked a short time in a junky area that I've worked before.

I picked this United Airlines fork out.  Do you remember when you got inflight meals with silverware?  It has been a while.

United Airlines Marked Fork.

I like transportation related artifacts, whether it is train, nautical or airlines.  I had found a couple airlines forks before.  Below is a United Airlines Spoon.  I don't remember when I found it.


United Airlins Spoon Handle.


I don't know if the one below is American Airlines, but I had it with my other airlines stuff, so I probably knew at one time.

Airlines(?) Flatware.

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Speaking of transportation, one reader asked about traveling internationally with a metal detector.  Specifically, he will be going to New Zealand.  I haven't traveled internationally with a metal detector for years, so I need your help.  What would you tell him.  Is it still easy, or will you run into problems?

I had little trouble when I flew with my metal detector, but as I said that was years ago, and things could have changed, although not too long ago I saw a fellow coming off a flight and asked him if they gave him any problems.  He said he was surprised how easy it was.  But that was probably a domestic flight.

I like to ship my detector to my destination so I don't have to take it on the plane as either carry-on or checked luggage.  

In the past I also sometimes down-sized some equipment.  For example, I made a shaft that was smaller and made of wood instead of using the shaft that came with the detector.  A few bolts assembled it to suitable length.  In one case, I wanted a shorter shaft because I was working on a steep hillside, so I took out one section.

Anyhow, please send your recent experiences with traveling internationally with a metal detector.

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The Oak Island TV show provides a lot of lessons. The archaeology ladies came up with another old button. The island has been worked over with a metal detector for several years and yet so many of the metal artifacts that are coming out of the ground are being found by slowly and thoroughly sifting a small area.  

We have to remember that metal detectors only detect the top few inches of ground.  That is why we pay so much attention to erosion.  We can't dig and sift beaches, so we have to wait for nature to move sand for us.  

When I was doing consulting at the Naval Air Station at Pensacola, one fellow asked me out to a site he had been detecting but had found nothing good.  It was a site where the an old hotel had burned down.  But when I arrived, I saw big holes and piles of dirt everywhere.  I looked like the site had been bombed.  It was obvious he was a novice.  He dug a lot of holes, but was digging big junk.

I think I had my Tesoro Royal Sabre, but I started finding things right away, including older coins, tax tokens, a lapel pin, silver ash tray, etc.  I remember the fellow saying to me, "You spend a lot of time in a small area."  I think that is what he concluded from watching me a while.  He had covered a lot of area and dug a lot of holes but was only finding big junk.   Once I found a spot that seemed to be a hot spot, I slowed down and worked it thoroughly.  There were undoubtedly other hot spots that I didn't get to, but I only had one shot at the site.

The like to look for a promising area, and once I find one, I slow down and work it more intensely.  I probably could have found more if I stripped a layer of soil off the small area I was working even though it would have taken more time.

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Good hunting,
Treasureguide@comcast.net




Tuesday, April 23, 2024

4/24/24 Report - More Info On The Groat Find. George Washington's Cherry of a Treasure in Bottles. Gold Nuggets.

 

Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.


Recent Treasure Coast Coin Find Believed to be a British Groat.

I posted the above coin found by Tom on the 21st.  Since then Tom has been able to make out some of the detail on the coin.  Here is what he said.

Thanks for posting the pictures of the coin. Since posting I have realized that on the front side of the coin, you can see the word Regina, so and believing that this is a Queen Elizabeth I British groat.
Attached is a little better picture. Weights 3.8 g.

Second Image Submitted by Tom.



Of course, there is always the question of how it turned up on a Treasure Coast beach.  The date is not unreasonable for it coming from a wreck or some related activity.  We just can't say.  

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Centuries-old bottles of cherries unearthed at George Washington’s home.


Archaeologist Nick Beard was gently pushing aside the hardened dirt in the basement of George Washington’s home at Mount Vernon, Va., last fall when he spotted the mouth of a glass bottle.

Beard worked his trowel a little more and the neck of the bottle emerged. Not that unusual, he thought. Archaeologists find lots of bottle fragments.

But as he dug, more of the object appeared. “It kept [getting] larger and larger,” he said.

He stuck his finger in the mouth to see if he might wiggle the piece loose. “And my finger came back wet,” he said. “I thought about it for a half-second longer and said, ‘Oh, my God, my finger is wet,’” he recalled...

Here is the link for more about that.


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The first session in the Sedwick auction is huge.  It starts off with gold coins, but lot 96 is a nice gold bar having an auction estimate of $200,000 to $400,000.  Then there are some nuggets, below is one of those.


Unfortunately the nuggets aren't 1715 Fleet.  They are from Arizona.  Nice nuggets though.  Take a look.

I remember the day I found nuggets at John Brooks.  They were my first beach nuggets and it took years before I got my first, so it was a treat.  There were other detectorists on the beach that day and I wouldn't be surprised if more were found that day, but I've never seen mention of it.  

I showed that nugget before.

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Surf Chart From SurfGuru.com.

Tuesday the surf was around four to five feet.  Tomorrow and for a few days it will be smaller.  

Good hunting,
Treasureguide@comcast.net

Monday, April 22, 2024

4/23/24 Report - A Nice Coin Find. 18th Century Fort Artifacts. Groat Info. Coastal Warning.

 

Written by the Treasureguide for the exclusive use of the Treaure Beaches Report.

Coin Found by John L. With New


John L bought a Manticore at Gary Mueller's Treasure Coast Metal Detectors shop in January, He said that although the learning curve has been higher than he was used to, he has done pretty well with the Manticore the dozen or so times he used it.  For example, John found the Barber coin shown above at an inland site he detects.

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A trove of artifacts — including cannonballs and coins — were recently found among the ruins of a centuries-old fort on a Caribbean island.

The discoveries were made during an archaeological excavation of Fort Gustav, a historic military outpost perched atop a hill on Saint Barthelemy.

Constructed during the late 18th century, the fort was occupied at various times by the French and Swedish militaries.

Among the artifacts unearthed were a collection of cast iron cannonballs, according to an April 18 news release from France’s National Institute for Preventive Archaeological Research (INRAP)...

Here is the link for more about that.



At the top of the secton is an entire round of grapeshot found at the same site by metal detectors.

I've told before about finding grapeshot before.   It was on a Carribean Island, and I didn't bring them home because there was a stiff fine for taking explosives on the plane and I didn't want to risk that, so I left them behind.

I left one at the foot of a tree and found it where I left it when I returned a year or two later.  I thought that was pretty remarkable.  

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A couple days ago I showed what could be a British groat that was found on the Treasure Coast by Tom.  

As I mentioned yesterday, they are fairly common finds in England and there are thousands of them in the PAS finds database.

Knowing next to nothng about groats I started doing a little research and found a site with some basic information.  Here is the link.


Here is a little information about groats I found on that site that could help date them when the date is not visible.

Over time, groats became lighter:

Edward III’s coinage (1351) weighed 72 grains (4.7 grams).
Henry IV’s coinage (1412) reduced it to 60 grains (3.9 grams).
Edward IV’s coinage (1464) further lowered it to 48 grains (3.1 grams).

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Surf Chart From SurfGuru.com.

Monday we had a nice north wind and some southerly longshore currents starting.  I'd expect a few washed out spots Tuesday morning.



WHAT: A strong, southward flowing longshore current and a Moderate Risk of rip currents is expected.

WHERE: Coastal Volusia, Coastal Indian River, Coastal Saint Lucie, Coastal Martin, Mainland Northern Brevard, Northern Brevard Barrier Islands, Mainland Southern Brevard and Southern Brevard Barrier Islands Counties.

WHEN: Through late tonight.

IMPACTS: Breezy north to northwest winds will produce a strong, southward flowing longshore current today, which can push swimmers into deeper water unexpectedly, making them more susceptible to dangerous rip currents.

Here is that link.


Good hunting,
TreaureGuide@comcast.net





Saturday, April 20, 2024

4/21/24 Report - A Couple Recent Treasure Coast Finds Reported: British Groat and Lima Cob. More on Rope Thimble.

 

Written by the Treasureguide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.

Coin Recently Found by Tomojr on a Treasure Coast Beach.

Tom found the following coin which he described in an email as follows.

Hi, I found this coin on a Treasure Coast Beach this past Wednesday.

I was under a boardwalk crossover, where the new sand wasn’t real deep. This came out of the dirt to my surprise. Not sure but I think it is a British Groat. I always wonder, how did this end up on a treasure coast beach. And to find it now with all the sand replenishment happening. Any ideas?

Tomojr

Thanks for sharing Tom.

I have little to no knowledge of British groats, which run from the 14th to 19th centuries.  That is quite a range, and I haven't narrowed down the range of this one.

 A search of the PAS finds database shows over 11,000 groat finds.  

Here is one example from the database.  It shows a profile looking left, which is not the most common portrait that I saw.


Here is the link if you want look through the PAS database for "groats."

Search results from the database Page: 5 (finds.org.uk)

Maybe some of the readers of this blog can add some information on this find.

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Silver Cob Found by Duane on Treasure Coast About Ten Days Ago..

Duane said "Lima mint possibly 1712 date. Unknown if it was a possible neck hanger lost?"  That is about all he said about it.

Excellent photos Duane.  I thought I might see a seam around it in the photo, but Duane got a reputable coin shop to look at it and they said it was good.

Here is the edge.

Edge of the Same Cob.

So there are two examples of interesting Treasure Coast finds.

Thanks for sharing.

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Back to the EO found by Mark G.  A couple readers said it looked like a rope thimble.  Mark G. thought that was probably right.

John L. added the following.

From the size of it, it is exciting to think it could be a 1715 artifact, but it could also be from a modern commercial vessel such as a towing barge, etc. 

Knowing the metallurgical details would certainly help I would think. Most today are either galvanized steel or stainless. Within the last century though, they were exclusively made of bronze.

Mark then said, "It appears to be constructed with two types of material, see the circled areas in the photos. I haven’t figured out what the outer material is yet but I am willing to bet the construction will tell us when it was made."

Thanks to Mark for sharing the find and continuing with the cleaning and to my reader's for adding their information.

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I added the link to the 18th century book, Elements and Practice to Rigging and Seamanship, to my reference link list.  It is the newest addition and is at the bottom of the list.

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The next couple of days the surf will be only two feet or so, but Wednesday or Thursday there will be a little bump up to three or four feet.

Good hunting,
Treasureguide@comcast.net



4/20/24 Report - Mystery Encrusted Object Identified. A Great Reference: 18th Century Rigging and Seamanship Book.


Written by the TreasrueGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.



I found a great reference.  I can't say enough about it.  Above is the title page. 

It is an extensive work in multiple parts with some excellent illustrations, but before I get any farther into that, I want to return to some unfinished business.  A few posts ago I posted this photo of a partially cleaned EO found by Mark G.

Partially Cleaned EO
Found and Cleaned by Mark G.

A couple readers who really know what they are talking about identified Mark's find even though it isn't yet totally cleaned.  

First is what John L said.  Here is his email.

Hello again, 

I believe Mark's object is a thimble, still commonly used today on sailboats and anywhere a reinforced eye in, usually the bitter end of a line is needed, such as in an anchor rode, where chain meets line.

Just a guess, but an educated guess, from 55 years of experience on the water, messing around in boats, usually classic sailboats. 

I sail a Cape Dory 22D which I purchased in Huntington, NY in 1983. She just turned 41!

Hope this helps a bit. I am anxious to hear what Mark thinks he has.

John


John isn't alone.  Here is what Josh R. said.

 

I believe that the EO found by Mark G. could be a Thimble, commonly used with boat anchor lines to prevent chafing the line. 


They come in Stainless Steel or are galvanized.  They are also used on wire lines.

 

Thanks again for your relentless efforts providing information and motivation for me and all others.

 

Ron 


Thanks John and Ron.


Here is a photo of a modern rope thimble in case you don't know what John and Ron are talking about. 


Rope Thimble.


I wasn't familiar with that terminology and went looking to see what more I could learn. That is when I found the book I mentioned above, The Elements and Practice of Rigging and Seamanship, and I'm glad I did.  The title gives only a modest idea of the extent of that work and the detailed information on 18th century sailing.  When you reach the end of one part, you can click to go on to the next part.  There are several parts.  I lost count.


Below are a couple of the many great illustrations. 








It would seem that if you mastered this book you could build your own galleon.  Detailed measurements and more are included.


If you are really interested in the treasures of the Treasure Coast, you will definitely want to study, or at least browse, this reference.  You'll be amazed by the amount of information you will find.


Here is the link.


The Elements and Practice of Rigging And Seamanship (maritime.org)


I'll be adding the link to my reference link list.


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The Treasure Coast will have mostly a one-to-three-foot surf this week.  The tides are unramarkable too.

Good hunting,

TreasureGuide@comcast.net