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Monday, January 20, 2025

1/20/25 Report = Good Way to Store Jewelry. Bottle Dating Case Study: A Food Container. Slave Diver Incentive. Happy Inauuguration Day.



Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.

Labeled Bag of 14K Earrings.

One thing I find useful are the poly or EV jewelry bags that have a white area that you can write on.  You can see the white writable area on the bag in the above photo, but I took the photo of the wrong side of the bag, and you can't see what I wrote on it, which is the karat value of the gold items - 14 in this case, and the total weight of the items in the bag in grams.  I can quickly see that these are 14K gold items and I can see that they are earrings. 

Of course, you don't want to put fine items in a bad like this, but the bag is good for most gold jewelry finds.  

You can get the bags in different sizes, and you can also get them with bigger or smaller label areas.  

I have various sizes for different kinds of items. You can put several items in a bag or just one or two if you have larger items or just want to keep them separately for some reason.  

You can put any information you want on the labels.  You might want to add the dates, locations, or type of stones or any other descriptive information.  

You should put good diamonds in separatee soft cloth bags that add more protection.


One Example of this Type of Jewelry Bags
That Can Be Purchased Online.


The bags are convenient for organized storage of many items.  Transparency is very useful feature as it allows you to easily see what all is in the various bag without removing the individual items.  They are good for storing items in a bank deposit box.

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Below is an old bottle that looks like it probably held some type of food, perhaps pickles or a sauce.  It has no label or embossing to tell you what it held, but the wide mouth and shape suggest that it a food container

Despite the lack of a label to tell what product was inside, to an experienced eye, this bottle might still be more interesting than many others.

Light Green John Kilner and Sons Wide Mouth Bottle.


With some experience you can learn to identify older glass bottles just from the overall look.  After product labeling many people look for seams to date a bottle. Most people look to see how high the seams go on the neck to help determine the age of a bottle.  

Here is a link to the best site for dating bottles.  Dating Page

As the site says, dating bottles is not a precise process.  Manufacturing processes were adoopted by different glass companies at different times and bottles were sometimes refilled and reused over relatively long periods of times.  You might think that blown bottles are older, but some bottles were blown in recent times.  A bottle type might be used for a very long time after it was patented.  All of these things, and more, mean that dating a bottle is less than a precise science.  Nonetheless you can get some hints or clues and with experience develop a good feel for the age of a bottle.

Many bottle collectors do not bother to keep "slicks," which are bottles without embossing that tells the product or company.  Even a "slick" can have embossing on the bottom that might tell things like the glass manufacturing company, and even sometimes the date or mould number.  

Just going by the look of the glass, older glass tends to be thicker and vary in thickness - some parts being thicker than others.  In general, modern glass is very thin and when clear, very transparent.

Blown bottle will often show bubbles.  Many old blown bottles will show waves or what looks like stretch marks.  And you'll often see the same colors: aqua, light blue are common to many old bottles.  The composition of glass and coloring processes can be different on modern bottles.   

Concerning the bottle shown above, it was very difficult to photograph the embossing on the bottom of the bottle.  That is the best I could do.  

This one is embossed J K & S  in an arch and under that in an inverted arch is what appears to be the numbers 2684, which is likely the mold number.  The six, if that is what it is, has a very long straight vertical staff and an incomplete circle.  It looks more like a long handled backwards J.

This bottle has some nice big bubbles.  I can't find any evidence of seams, but sometimes seams were removed by either turning the bottle in the mold before it hardened or otherwise smoothing the surface.



The makers mark tells me the bottle is a Kilner bottle. Below is some of that history.

Beginning with John Kilner in 1842, the Kilner family continued as owners and operators of glass plants at Yorkshire, England, for three generations. The senior Kilner brought his two oldest sons into the business in 1844, opening a plant at Wakefield – eventually bringing in the younger two sons as well. The firm purchased a factory at Thornhill Lees in 1847 and operated the two until John Kilner’s death in 1857. When the senior Kilner died, there was a break in the family. John Kilner, Jr., took over the Wakefield plant, bequeathing the firm to his son, Barron, probably in 1900. The remaining brothers formed Kilner Brothers at the Thornhill Lees factory, opening a new plant at Conisbro in 1863. Eventually, their sons took over the operation. Both groups eventually became limited partnerships (or corporations), operating until the late 1930s. Several types of Kilner bottles – mostly food containers – are fairly common in the U.S

... JK&S (1857-1900) Urquhart (1976:128) illustrated the only example of this logo that we have found – “JK&S (arch) / 1938 (inverted arch)” on a product jar (Figure 14). Note that the four-digit numbers on Kilner products often began with “17,” “18,” or “19” – but these were model or catalog numbers rather than date codes. This mark was probably Figure 13 – Codd bottle (eBay) used during the 1870-1900 period – although that should be taken as the “best guess.” A more conservative range would be 1857-1900..


So, despite the lack of face or side embossing, the embossing on the bottom of the bottle provided some good information and a probable date range. 

Here is the link for much more about Kilner and Kilner Brothers Glass.

KilnerGlass.pdf

This bottle was also recently added to my TGBottleBarn.blogspot.com web site.

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I found an interesting article on black divers that were recruited for salvaging wrecks.  Freedom was the reward for finding a silver bar.

Here is a summary paragraph about that.


And here is the link.

Mel Fisher Maritime Heritage Society : Individual : Explainer: Freedom for Enslaved Diver Juan Bañon [DOP-1622-025]

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Source: SurfGuru.com.

Very nice north wind this morning.  Just a bit of a bump is predicted for a few days from now.

Good hunting,

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