11/30/24 Report - Artifacts That Disappeared From the British Museum. A Fine Treasure Coast Find. Guerlain Glass.

 

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Have you seen these treasures? British Museum reveals types of items believed to have been stolen

Images provided by the museum are only similar to items that are missing, but have been released in the hope that individuals who believe that they may be, or have been, in possession of the missing items will get in touch with information...

Here is the link for more about that.

Have you seen these treasures? British Museum reveals types of items believed to have been stolen | UK News | Sky News

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Nice Guerlain Bottle Found by John C.

John C. found the above bottle.  Below is what he said.

I think it was the Tuesdays post, where you had mentioned, and showed a picture of a perfume bottle. It reminded me of the one I have, that i found during hurricane Sandy, back in 2012.  There was a really big cut,in progress, on the Space Coast, and it had slid about halfway down the dune face.  I quickly grabbed it with my shovel before the next wave hit.  The first thing I noticed was, an embossed image of, what looked like an angel, second thing I noticed was the nasty dark liquid that was still on the inside.  The stopper looked to be sealed tight,

So it says something in French, but I could see the word Paris on the bottom, so I really don't know how old it is, but I guess Guerlain is known for their high quality, high price, perfume.?

I see you have a real nice bottle collection, and I wouldn't be surprised if you have a Guerlain bottle as well, so thanks for sharing, and Happy thanksgiving.

That is a very nice bottle find.  

Pierre-François-Pascal Guerlain made the opening of his first boutique on rue de Rivoli in Paris in 1828 his founding act. It quickly became an elegant meeting place, where the Parisian beau monde and rich English travellers flocked to acquire creams, makeup and fragrances.

1853, BESPOKE AND THE BEE BOTTLE

Pierre-François-Pascal Guerlain dedicated the Eau de Cologne Impériale to Empress Eugenie, the wife of Napoleon III, thus earning him the title “Official Perfumer to His Majesty”. He entrusted the Pochet du Courval glassworks with the manufacture of a bottle adorned with the Empire's bees, painted in fine gold, and a festoon motif, inspired by the Vendôme column. The Bee Bottle was born...

Source; La Maison Guerlain · History · GUERLAIN ⋅ GUERLAIN

That site goes on to present serveral other steps in the company's history and shows some of the landmark bottles.  The site doesn't, however, show any bottles that looks like John's find.

The bottles of Guerlain, a renowned French perfume, cosmetics, and skincare house, are made by esteemed glassmakers and designers. The most notable figure in the crafting of these iconic bottles is Raymond Guerlain, with support from remarkable artists including Gabriel Guerlain, Baccarat, Pochet du Courval, and Robert Granai. These artisans, along with others, have combined their incredible talents to create the exquisite shapes, designs, and innovative packaging for which Guerlain is internationally admired. The careful craftsmanship and innovative artistry in each bottle make Guerlain a coveted brand among perfume enthusiasts...

Source: Who Makes Guerlain Bottles: Uncovering the Artisans Behind the Iconic Fragrance Packaging

I found a similar bottle on eBay but with the paper label offered for over $200.00.

Here it is with the label.

 

The opposite side is the side shown of John C.'s bottle.

Perfume bottles are popular collectibles, and Guerlain bottles are known as some of the finest. 

Great find John.  

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Source: SurfGuru.com.

The surf chart changed since yesterday.  We have a north wind Friday evening, and it looks like a cold front is coming.

Saturday the surf will be up and the high tides pretty high.

Good hunting,

TreasureGuide@comcast.net

11/29/24 Report - List of Top Ten PAS Finds - Most Made by Detectorists. Stolen Artifacts. A Repost. Increasing Surf.

 

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Ringlemere Cup

I found this article listing the top ten PAS (Portabe Antiquities Scheme) finds. 

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In July 2020, the Portable Antiquities Scheme announced that it had recorded over 1.5 million items since it began 23 years earlier. To mark that milestone, the BBC History Magazine asked the PAS to “nominate 10 discoveries that they believe have done most to transform our knowledge of the past“

The top ten are:

1. Ringlemere Cup
2. 320,000 Roman Coins
3. Chalgrove Hoard
4. Staffordshire Moorlands Bowl
5. Staffordshire Hoard
6. Watlington Hoard
7. Chew Valley Hoard
8. Vale of Yord Hoard
9. Pilgrim Badge depicting killing of Thomas Becket
10. Bosworth Boar Badge


Eight of them was found by metal detectorists. One was found by a mudlarker.

Here is the link for more detail.

PAS: Top 10 Finds - Detecting Finds

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But what happens after a find is declared treasure?  The items selected by the the British Museum goes to the museum.

Then what happens.

According to a press release announcing the completion of the review, the museum has identified about 1,500 items classified as missing or stolen. Around 350 items in the museum’s collection have gold mounts or gems missing and 140 have been damaged by tools. Just 351 of the stolen items have been recovered...

The recommendations included in the review are broken down across several areas, including the collection, management, assessment of risk, internal audit policies, and in relation to the board of trustees itself. They range from improving policies for reporting missing objects, to establishing a risk tolerance statement like the Orange Book of the British Treasury, to outlining when and who should be in meetings to discuss risk. The primary ones include completing the full digitization and documentation of the institution’s collection and the implementation of security measures that the museum has redacted from the report.

The report also suggested that the board of trustees introduce a “buddy system” under which trustees would be paired to departments within the museum to “encourage a two-way flow of information.” Also, the minutes of trustee meetings, a document of what occurred able to be reviewed by the public on its website, should be expanded to better explain the rationale when decisions are made....

Here is the link for more about that.

Hundreds of Artifacts Stolen From the British Museum May Have Been Sold for Scrap

Readers of this blog have donated found items to museums only to discover the items were never displayed and, in some cases, went missing.

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Detectorists are making a lot of the important archaeological discoveries these days.  There are a lot of detectorists covering a lot of ground, and there are a lot of discoveries just waiting to be made. It would take at least another millenium for archaeologists to make those discoveries unaided by the public.

Back in 2018 I did a post entitled "The Problem with Archaeology."  It was a response to an article entitled "The Trouble with Treasure Hunting."  My 2018 post was a personal favorite, and I think it made a real difference.  It seems to me that I see many fewer articles by professional archaeologists bashing treasure hunting these days.  Perhaps they discovered how counter-productive that was, or maybe the number of discoveries and the important contributions made by detectorists have simply become undeniably overwhelming.  In any case, it seems that archaeology's attitude toward treasure hunting has improved over the last five years or so.  Maybe they learned that it isn't a good idea to alienate the public they claim to serve.

Normally I would just post a link to that post here, but I'm going to repost the entire discussion because I think it  is worthwhile and bears repeating.  

Below is the text of that post 2018 post.

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2/25/18 Report - The Problem With Archaeology: The Perspective of a Supportive Citizen.

Not long ago I posted an irresponsible quote by an adjunct in the TAMU Nautical Archaeology program about treasure hunters being no better than ISIS. Unfortunately that nonsensical quote is symptomatic of a larger problem. even though I'm assured by blog readers that have had personal contact, that full-time faculty members of that institution are more reasonable. I would expect that to be the case.  You can get away with radical statements in a classroom of young people who have to put up with all kinds of craziness to get their academic degree, but irresponsible statements can damage the reputation of a university and the cause of a noble profession. 

Today I'll start by taking a look at a chapter written by Wilburn "Sonny" Cockrell (deceased 2014), a pioneer maritime archaeologist who served as the Florida underwater archaeologist and taught at FSU.  The chapter was published in the book Maritime Archaeology: A Reader of Substantive and Theoretical Contributions, edited by Lawrence Babits and Hans Van Tilburg.  (See link below)

Here is an excerpt from the chapter in which Mr. Cockrell pondered why a treasure hunter's position was better received by the public and host of a TV show than the argument presented by an archaeologist's that appeared on the same show.

This post could go on for a long time but I'll try to keep it short and to the point.  I think it was Mark Twain that said something like, "I would have written a shorter letter, but I didn't have time."  It takes time to boil things down and present a point concisely and clearly.

The Society of American Archaeology web site says, "An archaeological site is any place where physical remains of past human activities exist." (See link below.) That is almost everywhere! Can we get some sanity from the archaeological community? When we hear archaeologists say that treasure hunters are no better than ISIS and the whole world is an archaeological site, it is not difficult to see that there is a problem. And those statements, whether they come from one extreme adjunct or an entire society, tell a lot. 

Archaeology needs to make realistic and practical distinctions. If you read Mr. Cockrell's chapter, you will see that he realized that archaeology was not winning the public debate and he was trying to come up with some realistic boundaries to define the limits of what was considered to be "acceptable" archaeology. He listed several criteria. Those criteria included the age of the shipwreck or submerged site, provenience, legality, professionalism and disposition of the artifacts. You can read that for yourself if you wish.  To give just one example, older wrecks were considered to be more properly the subject of archaeology than recent wrecks.  That is not surprising.  What is surprising is that it needs to be stated because of the feeling given by archaeology that nothing less than the entire world of man-made objects belongs to them.  No reference to age, one of the easiest of all distinctions to make, was included in the SAA statement  I know it is just one sentence and you can't include everything you might want to say in a single sentence, but wittingly or not, the statement represents an underlying attitude.  No one can reasonably claim that every place where there are remains of past human activity is an archaeological site, yet archaeologists, whether they say it or not, act and talk as if it was true.  The Society of American Archaeology came very close to saying it straight out and probably didn't realize the far reaching implications, including alienating the public who they claim to serve and at the same time rely on for support.

Archaeology claims to save the past for the public, but continually demonstrates that they do not trust the public.  Instead of saving the past for the public, they act as if they are saving the past from the public.  Archaeological sites are off limits and kept secret from the public.  Site files are not published and research reports are published only in academic journals and expensive books rather than being made easily available on the internet for the public.

If archaeology really wants sensitive sites to be protected, they should widely inform and involve the public.  Then they would have thousands of caring eyes watching over those sites.   

If archaeology wants to make discoveries, they would work with the public.  The vast cloud of informed eyes (not to mention metal detectors) would make new discoveries.  That has been demonstrated by England's Portable Antiquities Scheme.  An informed participating public would provide the best protection as well as the discovery of many important new sites. 

Here are some of the results of a poll that I conducted.

Of the 117 respondents, only 6 (5%) indicated that they had ever seen items that were in the Florida Collection.  The Florida Collection, as the Division of Historical Resources states, is to preserve Florida's history for the public, yet only a small percentage of the most interested citizens have seen it.

I also found that about ten times more blog readers have seen the privately owned and operated Fisher treasure museums than have seen the items in the Florida Collection."  This suggests that "treasure hunters" actually better serve the public than academic archaeology and our government agencies.  

Archaeology mistrusts and alienates the public.  On top of that, some of their group makes very irrational and extreme statements, which does not help their cause.

Not all the world can be treated as an archaeology site.  As Mr. Cockrell's chapter suggests, there are bounds in practice and reason.  There are more sites and shipwrecks than can ever be studied. 

Archaeology needs to better define what sites are important and worth studying.  As it is, some would have you believe that every site, every shipwreck, every nail, every thing that could possibly be studied should be studied and protected, and every study yields something immensely important. The fact is that much of the evidence of the human past is not in a meaningful context, highly redundant, and most importantly, will never add any new knowledge of significance.  Archaeology needs to complete the job that Mr. Cockrell started and define boundaries.  They need some well defined goals and priorities, and to get over their paranoia.  They should also alienating the public that would eagerly support them if they were more reasonable and inclusive.

References

Here is the web site of the book in which Mr Cockrell's chapter appears.

https://www.amazon.com/Maritime-Archaeology-Substantive-Theoretical-Contributions/dp/0306453312


Here is the web site of the Society for American Archaeology.
http://www.saa.org/Default.aspx?TabId=1346

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Source: SurfGuru.com.

We have a WNW wind today.  Looks like the surf will be increasing.

Good hunting,

TreasureGuide@comcast.net

11/2824 Report = Happy Thanksgiving! King Solomon Christian Pendant Found. 1715 Fleet Missing Coins Recovered.

 

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Fort Pierce, Florida — A collection of 37 gold coins — with a combined value estimated at more than $1 million — have been recovered after they were stolen by salvagers back in 2015 from a famous 18th century shipwreck off Florida's Treasure Coast, state authorities announced Tuesday. A professional treasure hunter has been charged in connection with the case. ..

Advanced digital forensics identified metadata and geolocation data linking Schmitt to a photograph of the stolen coins taken at the Schmitt family condominium in Fort Pierce, officials said. Furthermore, Schmitt took three of the stolen gold coins and placed them on the ocean floor in 2016 to be found by the new investors of Queens Jewels, the agency said.

Here is the link for more of the article.

Gold coins stolen from 18th century shipwreck off Florida coast recovered - CBS Miami

Thanks to SuperRick for that link..

I posted an article on the same story, but it was a little different from this one.

I also thought it was interesting and odd that they would place gold coins for other investors to find.

There are indeed strange ways that things end up where they are found.  That is something to remember.  

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Archaeologists in Turkey have uncovered a rare fifth-century Christian pendant depicting King Solomon on horseback spearing the devil. It's the only pendant of its kind discovered in Anatolia, a region that covers much of modern-day Turkey, to date.

Both sides of the bronze pendant feature inscriptions in ancient Greek. The text on the King Solomon side translates to "Our Lord defeated evil," while the other side names four angels: Azrael, Gabriel, Michael and Israfil...

Here is that link for more about that.

Rare 1,600-Year-Old Pendant Discovered in Turkey Depicts King Solomon Defeating the Devil

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Yesterday I posted some of my recent modest finds. I forgot to add why I posed it. For one thing, it shows you don't need the best equipment (not even a metal detector) to find things. Secondly, to one thing I've often repeated, you can always find something.

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Source: Surfguru.com.

 Looks like we could get a bigger surf next week.

Conditions have been nice for shallow water metal detecting.

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11/27/24 Report - 1715 Fleet Missing Gold Coins Recovered. A Few Modest Finds From the Treasure Coast. Calm Seas.

 

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 Part of a trove of gold coins stolen from a fleet of Spanish shipwrecks off the Florida coast has been recovered, and one of the family members who originally recovered the treasure is facing charges.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission announced Tuesday it had recovered 37 gold coins from the 1715 fleet, valued at over $1 million.

Investigators say the coins were part of a trove of 101 coins discovered in 2015... However, only 51 coins were correctly reported, while another 50 were not disclosed...

Here is the link for more of the article.

Florida recovers $1M in gold coins stolen from 1715 Spanish shipwreck

Thanks to DJ for that link.

Hopefully you didn't buy any of those coins at auction.

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Miscellaneous Finds From a Tuesday Walk.

I took a walk the Tuesday.  It was the first bottle hunt I've been on since I impaled my foot on a nail back in August.  

The water was high, but visibility was very good.  Nice day to get out for a little hunt.

The shovel was in the water. Nice little shovel that will come in handy.

Above the shovel is a gator scute.

 

Below the shovel is two capudine bottles.  I've found older and nicer capudine bottles before, such as the Hick's capudine  one I posted on my bottle barn site.  See TreasureGuide's Bottle Barn: Brown Hicks' Capudine Bottle.

There is another small square bottle, which I would guess once held perfume.

I found no exciting bottles.  I did find an older embossed Listerine bottle.

Cork Top Embossed Listerine Bottle

I've found a good number of embossed Listerine bottles before.  This one is pretty clean.  Just some scuffs.  The bottom of the front is embossed LAMBERT PHARMACAL COMPANY.  

After looking at a lot of Listerine bottles, this is the first time I noticed that the word PHARMACAL.  I checked a couple other Listerine bottles and they say the same thing. I always thought it said Pharmaceutical, but it doesn't.

 Named after Joseph Lister, who pioneered antiseptic surgery at the Glasgow Royal Infirmary in Scotland, Listerine was developed in 1879 by Joseph Lawrence, a chemist in St. Louis, Missouri (Wikipedia).

It is now marketed by Johnson and Johnson.

I also picked up some copper.  You can see the copper tubing.  Scrap copper is now selling for around $1.85 per pound.

No exciting finds today but it was nice to get back on the hunt on a beautiful day.  And most importantly I didn't get a nail in the foot.  My new boots weren't comfortable and quit before I would have otherwise.

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Source: Surfguru.com.

As you can see, the surf is very small.  That could make for good visibility and easy shallow water hunting in those areas where you can do that.

Good hunting,

TreasureGuide@comcast.net

11/26/24 Report - Silver Reales from the Rimac River. in Lima. Saint Rose. Spain Takes Yard Anchor of HMS Serpent. Hen and Nest Finds.

 

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Coins from Rimac River in Lima
Source: store.melfisher.com

I noticed some coins being sold by the Mel Fisher organization.  There was a group labeled "Land Coins."  That term seems descriptive enough.  Obviously enough, those coins aren't from the Atocha or Margarita, which is what I'd most expect to see being sold by the Fisher organization.  But where did these "Land Coins" come from?

I took a look and found that a number of them were from the Rimac River.  I haven't heard of the Rimac River as being a big source from Spanish Colonial coins, so I was curious to learn more.

Here is what I found.  The Rimac River is in Lima.  And where the current Santa Rosa bridge crosses the Rimac River is a church that was built to honor Saint Rose, who was the first Amercian saint.  Saint Rose lived in the 16th and 17th centuries.  

There is one common theory about these "Land Coins" that were found in the shallows and on the banks of the Rimac River.  It is thought that newly married couples would walk from the church to the river and throw the coins in the river with the hope that the act would promote the chances of a happy and prosperous marriage.

Back as far as Roman times, and I suspect beyond that, monetary offerings to Gods or other supernatural forces were made to secure blessings.  Spirits were thought to be associated with water, especially springs or wells

Throwing coins in bodies of water is a very old but continuing custom that has evolved over the centuries and is common in many parts of the world.  Remember that.  People still throw coins into bodies of water.  When you see a spot where people might have done the same kind of thing in the past, check it out.

You might want to additionally research the coins of the Rimac River for yourself.  The current bridge is the bridge of Santa Rosa, which replaces at least a couple older and less satisfactory bridges.

Below is a link for more about the life of St. Rose, who was born in 1586 in Lima.

St. Rose of Lima - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

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Spain's Civil Guard recovered an anchor that could belong to the HMS Serpent, a Royal Navy ship sunk in 1890 off the Galician coast, after discovering it was being used as a decorative element on a house in Muxía, according to Spanish media reports.

The HMS Serpent was a British torpedo cruiser of nearly 2,000 tons that entered service in the Royal Navy in 1888. The vessel, under the command of Commander Harry L. Ross, sank on the night of November 10, 1890, in the midst of a strong storm, as reported by. On that day, the ship ran aground and was lost with almost all its crew, leading to the deaths of 172 of the 175 crew members...

Here is that link.

Spanish authorities seize anchor used by 19th century sunk British war ship HMS Serpent

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A Couple Treasure Coast Finds.

I found these at different times when hunting bottles. I just ran across an article about them as popular collectibles

I found both parts to the blue one in front but just the lid to the larger white one in the back. I thought they were neat but never looked into it any farther than that.

Worthpoint.com says...

Many people remember seeing a particular glass dish their grandmother or mother had in a china cabinet or on a table. The dish was in the form of a hen sitting on a nest, filled with candy or nuts, or used as a decorative piece.

These hen on nest covered dishes are popularly collected today for their nostalgic appeal, utilitarian purpose, and the fun of hunting for all the different varieties: hundreds of patterns and sizes have been made in various colors.

Hen on nest dishes are also worth clucking about—some pieces can fetch thousands of dollars....

Here is the liink for more about that.

Something to Cluck About: Hen on Nest Dishes - WorthPoint

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Not much change in the weather or conditions.

The high tides are getting a little smaller.

Good hunting,

Treasureguide@comcast.net

11/25/24 Report - Coins From Glencoe Massacre Found. Cloak Pin Found. Brown Liquor Bottles. Embossed Kalik Bottle.

 

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Coins From the 1692 Glencoe Massacre Found.
Source: See link below.

A hoard of coins thought to have belonged to a Highland chief killed in the Glencoe massacre has been found beneath a fireplace by archaeologists.

The 36 coins hidden in a former hunting lodge or feasting hall were discovered during a University of Glasgow dig in August. They date from the 17th century and include currency from Europe.

The building had been associated with Alasdair Ruadh “MacIain” MacDonald of Glencoe, the clan chief from 1646, who together with an estimated 82 members of his family was a victim of the 1692 massacre...

Here is the link for more about that.

Glencoe massacre: Archaeology student finds ‘Highland chief’s coins’

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Archaeologists believe they have found the spot where a cornered Scottish clansman made an extraordinary escape from the massacre of Glencoe in 1692.

As government troops made their final preparations to wipe out the MacDonald clan for their support of the Jacobite rising, a party was held in the Highlands settlement of Achnacon.

MacDonald of Achnacon, who oversaw the township, drank and gambled with his guests into the early hours — until a volley of musket shots from the government forces tore through his home. He was captured but is said to have survived by tearing off his plaid cloak and throwing it over the soldiers who were preparing to shoot him. Against the odds, he escaped into the dark of a bitterly cold winter night.

The story has been handed down for centuries and now researchers have found what they believe to be MacDonald of Achnacon’s turf-walled house — along with a bent bronze pin, of the kind that might have been used to fasten a cloak...

Here is that link.

Bronze pin sheds new light on daring escape from Glencoe massacre

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Two Brown Bottles Found on the Treasure Coast.

The only marks on these are on the bottoms. One is marked with the Anchor Hocking mark and another with an A in a circle, which indicates the Armstrong Cork Company.

The Armstrong Cork Company started out in the 1860s making corks but over time expanded into a variety of products.

The Armstrong Cork Co. entered the glass-making business when it acquired Whitall Tatum & Co. (Millville, New Jersey) on June 20, 1938, and the Hart Glass Mfg. Co. (Dunkirk, Indiana) on December 21 of the same year with the intent to produce complete packages, bottles and closures together (Glass Industry 1939:20; Glass Packer 1939:52)...   (Source: ArmstrongCork.pdf)

Both of these bottles have a 54 on the bottom, and I think that is the date that both of them were made.

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KALIK Embossed Bottle.

I undoubtedly picked this bottle up and brought it home without looking at it very well.  It is a beer bottle, but a very recent one.

If you've spent much time in the Bahamas, you might know about it.  It is a Bahamian beer.

Kalik is a Bahamian brand of beer. It is made by the Commonwealth Brewery in Nassau which also produces Heineken, Guinness and Vitamalt...

The original Kalik is a lager with 5% alc./vol. It was designed by Heineken International in 1988, based on studies of the Bahamian market. It seized market leadership from Beck's, which had dominated the local market before.^[2] According to the bottle label the name of Kalik is derived from sound of cowbells heard during the annual Bahamian festival of Junkanoo.

There are five more variations of Kalik beer:

• Kalik Gold, is a 7% alc./vol. beer. It was first introduced in 1992 as a limited edition brew to mark the 500th anniversary of Columbus’ landing in the new world. It has since become a permanent offering....

Here is the link.

Kalik - Wikipedia

So Kalik is a very recent beer from the Bahamas. 

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Not much change in beach conditions to note.

Good hunting,

TreasureGuide@comcast.net

11/24/24 Report - Detailed Scans of the Wreck of the Endurance. Metal Detecting by Observation and Analysis Or Intuition.

 

Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.

On March 5, 2022, more than a hundred years after its ill-fated voyage, the Endurance was found 3,000 meters below the surface. The discovery, made possible by cutting-edge underwater technology, has revealed the ship in an astonishing state of preservation. The 44-meter-long wooden structure remains largely intact, a testament to the frigid Antarctic waters that have slowed its decay.

Dr. John Shears led a team of explorers and scientists who used specially equipped underwater robots to map the wreck in high resolution...

The Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition of 1914, led by Sir Ernest Shackleton, set out to achieve one of the greatest geographical challenges of its time : the first complete crossing of the Antarctic continent. The crew of 27 men departed from South Georgia Island aboard the Endurance, a ship specially designed to withstand extreme polar conditions.

However, their journey took a perilous turn when the ship became trapped in the Antarctic pack ice just weeks after departure...

Here is the link for more about that.

100 Years Later: Shackleton’s Lost Ship Endurance Resurfaces with Never-Before-Seen 3D Images

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Different people search differently. That is no surprise. Some go out and wander around somewhat randomly and others adopt a planned search strategy. Some people are mor systematic than others and some rely on their senses while others rely more on feelings or intuition.

Sometimes you just get the feeling that something is there or that you should do something despite the lack of all evidence or reason. I've told a few stories about that in the past. Below is one such story that I told years ago.

One time I was at work and only had a about an hour before another appointment, butI kept feeling that I should go detecting at a particular location. But I didn't have hardly any time.


I finally decided I would run down to the beach. By the time I got to the beach and in the water, I had less than a half hour to hunt. Well, I went in and in just a few minutes had a diamond ring with over nine carats of diamonds - seven diamonds, each over one carat. I took my find and quickly left.

Normally I wouldn't have gone when I had so little time. If traffic had been bad, I would have had no time. But I felt like I should go. It kept nagging me, and it paid off with an unusually good quick find.

I don't know if it was just coincidence, intuition, or something else. I can't say with confidence that it was anything other than coincidence.

I do a lot of analysis. I try to figure things out and make good calculated decisions. You know that if you've been reading this blog very long. Nonetheless, I will follow my feelings at times regardless of anything else. It doesn't always pay off but there are those times when it seems like something else is operating.

Intuition could be nothing more than the assimilation of a lot of knowledge that isn't completely consciously clear at the time.

Anyhow, I find good analysis and calculated decisions much more consistently productive, but I'm not ready to deny or ignore all of the subtle notions and feelings that I get. As remarkable and stunning as intuitive successes might seem, they are much too rare.

I once did an informal poll to see how much detectorists use intuition versus observation and anaylsis.

As you can see from the bar chart below, the respondents generally go more by analysis and observation than intuition. That isn't surprising considering the amount of time I spend on analysis of beach conditions and other things. Only one of the 45 respondents said that they went almost exclusively by intuition and hunches.

On the other end of the spectrum, 4 respondents said they rely almost exclusively on analysis.

The vast majority of those that responded, appear to use some mixture of analysis and intuition. Overall, the results were definitely skewed in the direction of analysis and observation over intuition.

Here are the results expressed in a bar chart. I reordered the categories from how they were ordered when the poll was presented, and also shortened the category labels. The numbers in the chart are percentages.

It seems that most people acknowledge intuition but depend mostly upon observation and analysis despite those times when it definitely feels like there is something else operating.

Some of the above was originally posted on 7/9/17 in treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com.

See The Treasure Beaches Report Direct From Florida's Treasure Coast.: 7/9/17 Report - 2011 Law Concerning Ownership of Artifacts and Space Exploration Artifacts. Blog Poll Conclusions. .

Too bad blogger took away their poll utility.  I haven't taken the time to learn to implement other apps that might work.

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Other than the gradually reducing high tides and the beautiful cool beach detecting weather, not much to note.

Good hunting,

TreasureGuide@comcast.net

11/23/24 Report - Stash of Ancient Gold Coins Found. Quack Med Bottle. Old Document in the Dunes. 1928 Hurricane.

 Written by the TreasureGuide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.

A small jug discovered in the Israeli capital's Jewish Quarter last month turns out to contain four gold coins — the equivalent of four month's salary for a common laborer at the time the coins were tucked away more than 1,000 years ago. 

Archaeologists discovered the hidden loot while surveying a site prior to the construction of an elevator to the Western Wall Plaza, a historic public square in Jerusalem's Old City....

Here is the link for more about that.

Ancient gold stash found in jug in Jerusalem | Live Science

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Bottle Embossed: THE CHATANOOGA MEDICINE CO

I haven't post any bottles for a while, but here is a Treasure Coast found light green bottle, embossed as shown below the photos.  It has a good story behind it.

Other Side of Same Bottle Embossed: McELREE'S CARDUI.

When the Civil War ended, two Federal soldiers, Z. C. Patten and T. H. Payne, were mustered out of the army in Chattanooga. They formed a partnership for selling paper, blankbooks and miscellaneous stationery supplies. Business in Chattanooga was in a disorderly state because of the chaos caused by the war, and the rapid surge forward of business reorganization...

Patten, however, gave rein to his expansive ideas and bought the formulas of Thedford’s Black Draught and McElree’s Wine of Cardui, and organized the Chattanooga Medicine Company for large-scale production of these medicines...

Of Wine of Cardui, a newspaper ad said, ‘This pure wine is a simple vegetable extract without intoxicating qualities, and has proved to be the most astonishing TONIC FOR WOMEN known to medical science.”

Twenty years later when Samuel Hopkins Adams published his “Great American Fraud” articles, he mentioned the advertising of the Chattanooga Medicine Company as not being suitable reading material for a family gathered around the breakfast table...

Here is a link to an article that provides a lot of additional information.

Black Draught and Wine of Cardui - Appalachian History

Below is an older bottle and box containing the Chattanooga Medicine Company tonic.

McElree introduced his Cardui in 1879 and sold this product to the Chattanooga Medicine Company in 1882, where it was originally marketed as "McElree's Cardui, The Woman's Tonic."” In the 1920s product, the ingredients were listed as: Blessed Thistle, Golden Seal, and 19% alcohol (38 proof). In the US in the 1800s & early 1900s, use of alcohol was viewed with disdain. Thus, the increasing popularity of an increasing number of alcohol based patent medicines was prevalent (McElree's Cardui Tonic; Reverend R.I. McElree; 1879; Fincham Collection 040 | eHive).

I also added this bottle to tgbottlebarn.blogspot.com.

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Pavo1994 sent me the above newspaper clipping.  That would be the 1928 hurricane, sometimes referred to as the Okeechobee hurricane.

Interesting that a paper document would survive 36 years in the dunes, if that is what happened, but strange things do happen.  I would like to know more about how and where the document was actually found.  

Below is more about the Okeechobee hurricane from Wikipedia.

 

Hurricane Four
1928 Okeechobee hurricane
San Felipe Segundo hurricane

Surface weather analysis of the storm nearing Puerto Rico as a Category 5 hurricane on September 13
Meteorological history
Formed	September 6, 1928
Dissipated	September 21, 1928
Category 5 major hurricane
1-minute sustained (SSHWS/NWS)
Highest winds	160 mph (260 km/h)
Lowest pressure	≤929 mbar (hPa); ≤27.43 inHg
Overall effects
Fatalities	4,112+
Damage	$100 million (1928 USD) ($1.77 billion in 2018)
Areas affected	West Africa, Cape Verde, Lesser Antilles, Guadeloupe, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, The Bahamas, Florida, Georgia, East Coast of the United States, Northeastern United States, Eastern Canada
IBTrACS
Part of the 1928 Atlantic hurricane season

The Okeechobee hurricane of 1928, also known as the San Felipe Segundo hurricane, was one of the deadliest hurricanes in the recorded history of the North Atlantic basin, and the fourth deadliest hurricane in the United States, only behind the 1900 Galveston hurricane, 1899 San Ciriaco hurricane, and Hurricane Maria. The hurricane killed an estimated 2,500 people in the United States; most of the fatalities occurred in the state of Florida, particularly in Lake Okeechobee. It was the fourth tropical cyclone, third hurricane, the only major hurricane of the 1928 Atlantic hurricane season, and remains the deadliest disaster in Florida’s history to date.^[1] It developed off the west coast of Africa on September 6 as a tropical depression, but it strengthened into a tropical storm later that day, shortly before passing south of the Cape Verde islands. Further intensification was slow and halted late on September 7. About 48 hours later, the storm strengthened and became a Category 1 hurricane on the Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale. Still moving westward, the system reached Category 4 intensity before striking Guadeloupe on September 12, where it brought great destruction and resulted in 1,200 deaths. The islands of Martinique, Montserrat, and Nevis also reported damage and fatalities, but not nearly as severe as in Guadeloupe.

Around midday on September 13, the storm strengthened into a Category 5 hurricane and peaked with sustained winds of 160 mph (260 km/h). About six hours later, the system made landfall in Puerto Rico; it remains the only tropical cyclone on record to strike the island at Category 5 intensity. Very strong winds resulted in severe damage in Puerto Rico; 24,728 homes were destroyed and 192,444 were damaged throughout the island, leaving over 500,000 people homeless. Heavy rainfall also led to extreme damage to vegetation and agriculture. On Puerto Rico alone, there were 312 deaths and about US$50 million ($887 million today) in damage. While crossing the island and emerging into the Atlantic, the storm weakened slightly, falling to Category 4 intensity. It began crossing through the Bahamas on September 16, where it resulted in 18 fatalities.

The storm made landfall near West Palm Beach, Florida, early on September 17, with winds of 145 mph (233 km/h). In the city, more than 1,711 homes were destroyed; the effects were most severe around Lake Okeechobee. The storm surge caused water to pour out of the southern edge of the lake, flooding hundreds of square miles to depths as great as 20 feet (6.1 m). Numerous houses and buildings were swept away in the cities of Belle Glade, Canal Point, Chosen, Pahokee, and South Bay, Florida. At least 2,500 people drowned, while damage was estimated at $25 million ($444 million today).

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Source: Surfguru.com

We'll have a smaller surf and smaller high tides.

I'll probably do some bottle hunting when I finally catch some good low tides.  It has been a while.

Good hunting,

Treasureguide@comcast.net