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Thursday, September 19, 2024

9/19/24 Report - 1715 Fleet Rosary. New Rosary Collectors Book. Pharmacy Bottle Find. Beach Encounters. High Tides Today.

 

Written by the Treasureguide for the exclusive use of the Treasure Beaches Report.


Graduated Pharmacy Bottle with Blue Ribbon in Small Block Letter on the Bottom.


This is a small (4 inches high) graduated pharmacy bottle made by Standard Glass Co.  The shoulder area on one side is embossed 3i on one side.  The three is actually a symbol meaning ounce.  It is a one oz. bottle.  It is four inches high.  I think the shape and lines are pretty.

On the other side "QUALITY" is embossed on the shoulder, and "PURITY" on the heel.  

On the bottom, in very small block letters is "BLUE RIBBON."

There are some nice bubbles in this blown bottle.  The brown tint is from staining.  The glass is clear.

The pharmacy would add their own paper label.

From sha.org...

 Toulouse (1971:87) dated the mark [BLUE RIBBON] as being used from 1920 to 1930. However, the patent and trade mark registration dates, as well as date ranges provide for individual bottles by the sources listed above and early advertisements, suggest that the bottles were used much earlier, almost certainly by 1908. Production almost certainly continued into the 1920s and may have extended until the company sold in 1932. For most firms, mouth-blown prescription bottles were discontinued by the mid- to late 1920s,...

Below is the link for more information.

StandardGlass.pdf (sha.org)


I also added that bottle to tgbottlebarn.blogspot.com.

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You probably know about the great 1715 Fleet rosary find. You will probably never find an intact rosary on the beach, but a good number of rosary parts have been found.   I've posted some in the past.  There is a rosary collector's guide that you might find interesting.

With 240 color photos and engaging text, this is the first book devoted to collecting rosaries. Hundreds of examples and informative text enables antique lovers, historians, and collectors of religious artifacts to identify variations of rosaries, and their crosses, crucifixes, and religious medals, determining their ageand place of origin. It contains historical insights and descriptions, explaining materials used and legends associated with various rosaries. Background information on rosary makers, answers to frequently asked questions, and a glossary to define related terms are also included. With the information enclosed, readers searching brick and mortar stores or online will be able to distinguish between genuine antiques, reproductions, and rosaries that have been altered. The color photographs and concise descriptions identify old and new rosaries in detail...

Here is the link.

The Rosary Collector's Guide: Hoffner, Gloria Brady: 9780764345357: Amazon.com: Books

And here is a link to a post about a 1715 Fleet rosary find.

The Treasure Beaches Report Direct From Florida's Treasure Coast.: 10/24/13 Report - 1715 Fleet Gold Rosary, Shipwreck Onion Bottle, and Auction

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Yesterday I talked about picking up coins that you might see on the street or wherever.  I mentioned a young boy who made a science project of putting out coins and then watching to see who would pick them up and then ask them some questions.  Below is Warren D's reaction to that post.

 

I enjoy the psychology of the moment, even more so the "reverse" psychology of the moment.

When people plant coins to study human nature when they observe people retrieving those coins it reminds me of metal detecting a beach.
 
Often when detecting a beach, I see the smiling/smirking people slowly approach me and ask the obvious question "What's the best thing you ever found?".  I usually fumble around, turn off my detector, lay down my scoop, take off my headphones and, say excuse me, even though I heard them.
 
They repeat their question and, I say Google WESH 2 News, 1715 ring. As they pull out their smart phones and start typing buttons I gear up and walk away.
 
After about a minute, I'm 50 feet away, I look back and they're all agitated. Good times.
 
Observing human nature is a great past time but it works both ways.

Warren D.


Thanks Warren.  That is an interesting topic and one that I'm tempted to ramble on about for who knows how long, but I'll resist the temptation - to some extent.

Things have changed over the decades.  When I detected a lot in South Florida, a few decades ago, it was common for detectorists, especially the hard-core guys, to be very secretive.  Back then, like many others, I avoided people to a large extent.  I detected very early in the morning before there were many people on the beach, or even at night.  And often I detected in the water, which was a good way to remain a low profile, especially when using a snorkel.

Back then many of the better detectorists made out like they never found anything good because they didn't want to encourage others to get into metal detecting.  

Detectorists don't seem to be so secretive these days.  Metal detecting has become more public, in part, I think, because of the media and internet. 

I never went up to a stranger on the beach and started a conversation. (Detectorists, having a common hobby, are not considered total stranger, though, because fellow detectorists share a common intereste and activity, plus you do get to know many of them from encounters on the beach. 

I wouldn't go up to a person and expect them to answer my questions.  First of all, that just isn't my personality or style, but also when I go to the beach with a metal detector, I go with a purpose, which is never to strike up a conversation.  

One morning about sunrise, a young girl (maybe early 20s) came up to me and started asking me questions and got upset because I wanted to continue metal detecting instead of talking.  She thought I was rude, but I thought she was rude for expecting me to abandon what I was doing to indulge her in conversation.  She seemed to think I should stand there and talk to her.  That isn't why I was there.

But I have occasionally got the question asking about my best find.  I find that an almost impossible question to answer.  I truly don't know what my best find is and would have a tough time picking one, o out.  I think people often think the "best" find is the most valuable find.  First of all, that is difficult to assess.  It is hard to say what an item might actually sell for.  And some of my favorite finds are certainly not the most valuable.  And I'm not particularly interested in telling people that I might have found something valuable.  There are multiple reasons for that.  One is that you don't know the person, and there are thieves out there.  In my South Florida days my car was broken into on multiple occasions.  And I think they thought I might have found something that might be in the car when I was up the beach metal detecting.  I've told the story before about a fellow that had a whole jar of cobs stolen from the trunk of his car when it was parked at Jupiter Beach.

I'm not a pack hunter like some.  There's nothing wrong with hunting with buddies or groups.  Some people like it and that is great.  It is just not for me.  I like feeling the sand and wind and rain and hearing the wind whistle through the holes in my metal detector rod.  Metal detecting is very much a meditative thing for me. Interrupting that is somewhat like interrupting a Buddhist sitting cross legged in a Lotus posture and in deep meditation.  Not exactly, but a little.

When a random stranger asks me about my finds, my first thought is that if I was curious, I'd get a metal detector and find out for myself.  Why are they so curious about what I'm doing when they could be doing the same thing instead of cooking their skin on the beach.  If you are genuinely curious, there are other ways of finding out other than asking a random person at the beach.  They don't seem to have anything better to do on the beach, but I do.  

A lot of it depends upon the vibe I get from how they approach me.  I always like to converse, show, or help well-behaved kids, young people or just nice people that show some degree of consideration or respect.   

People probably think if you are at the beach, you are on idle time and have time to spare.  That hasn't been my situation in recent years.  I seldom got to the beach and am very jealous of the little time I have available to metal detect.  That doesn't mean that I won't take time to talk to nice people on occasion.

I'll probably pick up with, to use Warren's phrase, "the psychology of the moment" some time again in the future.  It is a topic I could continue with for days but will spare you.

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Looks like we could have some bigger surf coming up in a few days.


Source: Surfguru.com.

Today we are supposed to have some very big tides.

Good hunting,
TreasureGuide@comcast.net